It also got a new action slide. George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Winchester - Model 12 Factory Try-Gun, 12ga, 30" Barrel. Dave Riffle in his book, The Greatest Hammerless Repeating Shotgun Ever Built: The Model 12 1912-1964, states The Winchester Model 12 was, and still remains, the only gun that was offered in over 100 different variations or configurations during its lifetime. It is fair to say that Winchester produced Model 12 shotguns for every conceivable shotgunning special interest group, including duck hunters. In fact, Madis states Any twelve gauge Model Twelve could be re-chambered and reworked to shoot three inch shells for a small additional charge[by Winchester], yet few guns were reworked in this way. I can find no external differences in receiver dimensions, other than the ejection port, between standard and magnum versions. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked modified, and 14" LOP. I still have a few 2nd style action slides left. The Model 12 duck guns are still as suitable for waterfowl passes, fox trails or the habitat of the wary gobbler as they were when the duck hunters at Winchester surprised the market in 1935. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. Manufactured in 1959. SAME RECEIVER AS MODEL 12 BUT MAD, Guns Listing ID: 640773MAKE - WINCHESTERMODEL - 12FINISH - BLUEDBARREL - 28\"CALIBER - 12 GAUGECAPACITY - N/AGRIPS - WOODCONDITION - VERY GOODFEATURES - HYDRACOIL STOCK & MODIFIED BARREL, Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 gauge EARLY Serial # Up for sale is a used Winchester Model 1912 Nickel Steel 20 ga, 2 3/4" chamber, 24" VR barrel stamped full but reads IM on a bra, Winchester - Model 12 Factory Try-Gun, 12ga. The used value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($310.78) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $447.25 . Later pump guns, such as the Remington Model 870 and Mossberg Model 500, do not have the slide lock feature. WARNING! Their attitude is summed up by Elmer Keith in Shotguns by Keith: the satisfaction of seeing big ducks crumple at long range and come down and bounce on the ground or splash high in the water is the cream of shotgun shooting., It is my view that the long-range duck-hunting cult was a legacy from the days of market hunting. Save my name and email to use for future comments. We have a Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Now I have never been wrong about anything in my lifeLOLjust kidding, but the way I read it on the top of page 109JMHOThanks, WC. Open Fullscreen. Model 12 duck guns could be ordered in pidgeon grade, featuring fancy wood and meticulous fitting and finish of parts. Charles Askins confirmed the tighter patterns and greater effective range in the field. These were called long-range waterfowl guns.. If it's a 12 gauge, replacement factory butt stocks can be hard to come by. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. But they must pass our way to clear! is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Herbert Houze summarizes the Watrous report in his book Winchester Repeating Arms Company, Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. to be finishedat least thats what Stadt says in his book"Winchester, Shotguns and Shotshells"very interesting book.a little different look at M-12 than Madis and Riffle.WC. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local That way, were helping small businesses in His shotguns were undoubtedly the best long-range duck guns he found in extensive testing. This Model 12 has Serial Number 1391884 was produced in 1953. This is a shotgun I should never have sold. Loose bolts and excess head-space occur only after long service. A red rubber Winchesterre coil pad was added the first year of production. Also, the rib and its receiver extension cover the Winchester proof marks, a sure sign that it is not factory installed. 1938 lists the stock for a 12 gauge skeet grade as 14" with a Buttplate. The Model 21 double seemed the reasonable choice for Winchesters duck gun. pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. 28" vent rib, full choke barrel with front bead sight. All Rights Reserved, Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre 64 Rare 12 Ga. Magnum 3" Edition Proof Marking. In reading Stadt's statements on page 109 of the latest version of this book, I don't see where he is too sure of his statements. w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. That luck ran out following World War I when the arms industry declined and the management of Winchester was relinquished to outsiders. Both shotguns shot to point of aim and all patterns were contained on the target paper due to precise aiming, facilitated by placing a 25-pound sack of lead shot between me and the gun butt. the shot gun is in very good condition , with a 28 in ventilated rib barrel with full choke. Winchester symbol # G1285S. I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. Elmer Keith instructs:For the man who wants greater range and a bigger shot load for duck or goose shooting, the Model 12 Winchester is in a class by itself [with] the long 3 load. Nevertheless, the 1 7/8-ounce load appeared in the mid-50s and now a full two ounces of shot can be had in the 12 magnum. I worked in two gun shops when I was in college. Madis comments Fancy walnut was considered too fancy for the rough treatment often given a duck gun. Fancy walnut could be ordered and the few pidgeon-grade duck guns had fancy walnut. Riffle's excellent reference book on the Model 12 notes the 1919 patent date for the two-pin rib, but suggests that the rib was not on the market until 1920. I believe the blueing to be original. is 14" with pad. This is why they were rust blued instead of hot blued. There is a moderate mark as shown in the photograph. But it would be my guess that the wood has been refinished and the gun has been reblued. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. The surge of zooming pinions [wings]! Featured Gun Classifieds Winchester Shotguns - Model 12, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood - 2 3/4" Shells note: particles/dust can be seen in the photo, In very good condition. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN 30" SIMMONS VENT RIB 1953 PRE-64 RARE 12 GA. MAGNUM 3" EDITION PROOF MARKING - 12 GAUGE MAGNUM - 5 - 30 " To elaborate on lowgun's response, the "round post" rib was made by Simmons, not Winchester. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. Model 12 duck guns had the same six-shot capacity as the standard Model 12: one in the chamber, five in the magazine. But the charm of idle jump-shooting is far too potent.. Simmons vent rib installed. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! Remington re-tooled from the M31 to the stamp, push and press 870 which sold for less than the M12. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. Has 30" barrel choked Full. during that time I handled many M-12's of varying configurations. Each fired target was turned over and a 30-inch cardboard disc placed to cover the maximum number for pellet holes. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. SN 1231992 Up for sale is a very clean and unique Winchester Model 12 in Pigeon Grade. Possible the fore end has been either replaced or re done. Free shipping for many products! An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. 1935 3" magnum offerd, will convert all 12 gages if wanted to 3" magnums, the begining of the long forcing cone. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. The duck gun made in 1952 has a Simmons ventilated rib. This gives a wrinkled appearance on bottom of pistol grip and bottom of forend. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I am tempted to stop off awhile and call. of a company that is committed to your satisfaction. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. Mfg 1917, 25" Barrel, Mod, Correct Forend and Buttstock, Small chip out of toe of butt plate, Wood is not damaged, Good Bore, Pictures show condition, Buyer pays 50.00 shipping Pa residents add 6, This Winchester Model 12 is a post 1972 gun with a "Y' prefix serial number. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. custom bolt act. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. However, the Model 12 duck gun should still be an excellent long-range waterfowl shotgun with the right ammunition. There are 16 pages of loads for various shell lengths, shot sizes (dust through buck, soft or chilled), five powders, five shell grades and 11 gauges. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. Madis states Winchester spent a great deal of time and effort to develop better chokes. Furthermore, Winchester constantly experimented, searching for improvements in all chokes, even the old standby full choke. Winchester almost certainly would have perfected their Full-choke Model 12 duck gun to maximize patterns with #4 lead shot, the size most mentioned for long-range duck shooting in publications prior to the advent of non-toxic shot. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. And, as WRACO states, Simmons installed Model 12 ribbed guns were sold by Simmons, not Winchester. Very good condition overall. Enthusiastic hunters bought the new repeater. I always wondered what the royalty was to Simmons on the Winchester Special Ventilated Rib that they installed. Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. If you pull the trigger and the shell does not fire you must push the slide handle forward to unlock the action. Buckingham had a solid 60-yard duck gun and was on his way to becoming a legend. Winchester proof steel is chrome-molybdenum steel. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. Smith brand, by the A.H. Fox Company of Philadelphia, by Parker, and by Ithaca. Introduced in 20 gauge in 1912, 16 and 12 gauge guns followed in 1914. Most websites are poorly I know the patent date for this rib was 1919. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. Interchangeable barrels (forend assembly) for 2 3/4-inch shells and choke of choice were special order. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. My name is Chuck 620 515 0556. Action works very nicely. The steel has a nice patina and the stock has most of the lacquer worn off. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. MAKE OFFER. For small bores, there are still new factory wood sets available. Action works perfectly. I have a questionwhen a gun is described as having a "milled rib" I thought that referred to the fact that the barrel had posts that were milled as part of the barrel instead of being attachedI see guns described as having "round post milled ribs" I don't think that is correct? Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. The $48 price tag was right. later on flinching became a problem with 12 gauge shooters becouse of 300 round tournaments. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. There was only one way to go after World War I: standardize shell lengths, discontinue bastard gauges and reduce the load options. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. . The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. Condition: excellent bright bore, 98% blue overall thinn, Winchester Model 12. Simmons vent rib and custom AA+ walnut furniture. It is the skeet style of stock with a comb drop of 1 1/2 2 1/2 inches, and a 14-inch length, butt to trigger. Ernie special order model 12's from Winchester to add his Dounut Vent Rib. Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. No Reserve. However, Winchesters ribs were not marked with the Simmons name and Kansas City address as mine is. A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. Experts can attest to the vast improvements they have found shooting with the Simmons Ventilated Rib. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. Nickel and ivory sight beads on the aftermarket Simmons rib, with choke marked full and 2 3/4 inch chamber. This is a correct factory Skeet grade 28 gauge with solid rib on the 26 skeet choked barrel. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Modified choke. Did they actually produce any in 1919 or did it take some time to get them out to the public after patent was approved? Thanks for all the info,my Grandfather died when I was in 12th grade in 1971 and I now have his field grade Mod.12 and 9 others love them all.I also have my Great Grandfathers Mod.97. Something went wrong. Winchester Model 12 Skeet Gun 12 gauge with 25" Solid Rib Barrel - 12 GA: 0 1d 7h 25m 17240921. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. On the other hand, a duck caught in the middle of one of these dense-centered pattern sat 40 yards would receive a dozen or more pellets. Must ship to an FFL. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. See pi, Winchester Model 12, 28 gauge SKEET pump action shotgun, circa 1955. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. Franklin and his two sons John M. Olin and Spencer T. Olin were the managers of Olin Industries and Western Cartridge Company in 1931. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. Title. Stay in the know. Bluing is in overall very good condition. Some patterns of #4 shot might let a duck escape if it were caught just inside the margin of the 30-inch circle. The Winchester Model 1912 (also commonly known as the Model 12, or M12) is an internal-hammer pump-action shotgun with an external tube magazine. Another sign of an after factory rib were the numer of 30" Full field guns later ribbed either with Simmons or MoneyMaker ventilated ribs, but the top milled groove in the receiver was a dead-give-away as to that, and when the Model 12 ruled the ATA roost, I am sure many "newbies" bought those modified and restocked field guns and thought - "Wow- now I have a Model 12 Trap gun- look out Vandalia, here I come"--I have several post 1935 12 gauge Model 12 buttstocks and also 18 ring forearms in my "parts boxes, also older logo and non-logo repro 12 gauge black bakelite buttplates-the 16 and 20 and 28- all on the same size receiver, take the same stock configuration. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. becouse plain barrels shoot higher than solid ribs do ,solid ribs shoot flatter. The 12 month average price is $622.51 new and $661.18 used. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. I wish I had them back! Houze relates that for the Model 12 the Watrous report suggested improve the smoothness of the action as it is criticized for being rough. How this was to be accomplished is not related but closer hand-fitting and gauging of parts was likely. Keep in mind that all of these changes in stock design were running changes and thus some overlapping of designs occurred in production. Simmons Gun Specialties rib has been added to barrel. 12 Gauge, For sale is the Winchester Model 12. The drop at heel was reduced from 2-1/2 to 2-3/8 inches in December 1938. Shopping at gives you the backing a post would have spent 281.5 hours trying to correct off handed remarks as a expert about winchester model 12's & 42's. I put one of those BIG soft foam risers on the comb and shot it that way for years. I recently acquired a 1921 gun. You jack the shell out and it goes off under your nose. The new 1935-style buttstock featured a closer and fuller pistol grip. The finishes and rib are 100% Winchester and in great condi, Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New, Winchester Model 12 pump action 12ga shotgun. Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. This shotgun is in near new condition in the original box. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. Fanciers of long-range shotguns now had a 12-gauge repeater shooting a 10-gauge shot load. So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Most sellers have no idea what they are selling. 80 of 1916 indicates seven empty 12-gauge paper shell lengths (2-1/2 to 3-1/4 inches). Looks to me a bit like the raised rib on a Lutjic one barrel trap gun- and the 870- well, Rudy Etchen shot a 12 gauge 870 Trap Grade he got new in 1950-I'd like to have a C-note for every clay bird, box pigeon and game bird he shattered with that old Remmie- I could move in next to Bill Gates- or maybe his gardener!! My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). . I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. I am anxious to get it back from the engraver. The first thing you notice when you pick up a duck gun is its weight and solid feel. So a shooter really doesnt need a rib. No Reserve. K-Mart Classics: Remingtons Nylon Rimfires Engineered To Last. It's what was refered to as a "Olympic Rib". I have several 2-pin guns. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Metal parts of the Model 12 are machined from chrome-molybdenum, the toughest, longest wearing and finest gun steel known. Barrel lengths were 30 or 32 inches, but 32-inch barrels were discontinued in 1948. Franklin W. Olin founded Western Cartridge Company in 1898. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. $550 USD. He did note, however, that the rib first appeared at about serial number 240,000. Charles Askins may have influenced the decision. Also, it was the only 1 3/8-ounce magnum load available. Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. The era of plentiful ducks and liberal bag limits was also ending. Helping out a person with 3378 posts who if they spent 5min. John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. And make the 42 any grade you want and a self described winchester know it all couldn't tell the differance and may have bought one. Beautiful grain pattern and very tight hand checkering on the stock . 30 Barrel. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Save $500.02 SKU: 3226743 . My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. . The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. I included #2 shot because this size shot has always been my goose and turkey load in 3-inch shells. A milled rib Model 12 is a milled rib Model 12, but the terminology is used a bit loosely. The stock finish is original and excellent. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. I decided to test the patterning of the five loads detailed in the accompanying table. only one I have ever seen unless TS member owns one? . prior written consent of the Copyright holder. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. Also available initially were standard trap and special trap grades. Learn how your comment data is processed. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. Johnson, at once one of the great gun designers and one of the least known, produced a steady flow of new firearm designs for Winchester. Winchester advises Do not use steel shot in any Winchester shotgun with a fixed choke. Use tungsten polymer, tungsten matrix or bismuth shot for waterfowl hunting with your Model 12 duck gun. In the 1950's Winchester's costs were losing pace with what they were ablle to sell their products for. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. FORE ARM HAS A PEICE OF WOOD MI, This is an all original 1962 made Winchester Model 12 in the harder to find 16 Gauge. Thomas C. Johnson came to Winchester in 1885 and remained a dedicated employee until his death in 1934. And for this reason the spike in prices for the forty two will go back down becouse there is a alternative that is for sure and safe and they know all the things that people look for to see if it came from the winchester factory. Lot 6593: Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun . Askins stated in Modern Shotguns and Loads: All shotguns which are intended for long range work.should be patterned at 60 yards. Continuing, loads which pattern around 85% [at 40 yards] have that quality which will permit them to continue a pattern on down the range.Askins found that each yard of range beyond 40 yards reduced pattern density by an average of two percent. At a reasenable Price, you can have that gun you allways wanted without all this drama. Contact us if you need an add on vent rib for your shotgun or order your Simmons ventilated rib barrel today! on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . Yes the 2-pin milled rib was costly to manufacture. Winchester recognized the scarcity of ducks in their promotional advertisement of the new duck gun To Meet the New Wildfowling Conditions. I suspect most Model 12 duck guns bought before World War II were put to work on other game. The Olins were businessmen first and duck hunters second. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. Optional dimensions for straight or pistol grip stocks, grip caps, front sights and recoil pads were also among early options. bolt act. H. Lea Lawrence relates in his 2001 GUN DIGEST article, The Saga of Bo Whoop, that in 1921 John Olin sent Buckingham his personal heavy double, a custom-choked Super Fox, for testing. The 30" heavy barrel is proof stamped "WINCHESTER TRADE MARK MADE IN THE U.S.A."; "-MODEL 12 - 12 GA. - FULL"; "WINCHESTER PROOF STEEL"; "FOR SUPER SPEED & SUPER - X 3 IN.". . The vent rib is stamped "SIMMONS GUN SPECIALTIES INC. KANSAS CITY, MO.". - for PayPal Credit, opens in a new window or tab, about earning points with eBay Mastercard, Report this item - opens in new window or tab. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Thanks= Re-Up- forgot the offset marks on a factory ribbed gun- two of my 5 pre-1950 M12's have the factory solid rib, and the 1948 Pigeon Trap has the "Old Milled Rib" with the sandblast bulled top and the "Duck-Billed" rib extension. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. The less pronounced pistol grip-style buttstock of the original Model 12 was discontinued in late 1934 and is not found on duck guns. This was a result of the Watrous report, which recommended that many of the slow-selling options be discontinued following the war. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. The Model 12 shotgun, initially the Model 1912, hit the market in August 1912. It looks like it is in very good shape. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. at the best online prices at eBay! The help you need is to get a life. And our Initially came a series of auto-loading rifles, including the rimfire Model 1903 and centerfire rifles, culminating with the Model 1910, chambered for the 401 WSL cartridge. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. The receiver is heavier and so is the barrel. and/or Simmons, left in the "white", and sent to the other. This gun has been single family owned since bought used in 1967. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. The 12-gauge 3-inch magnum shotshell was developed to achieve this objective. Winchester Model 12 Takedown Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Ventilated RibProduced in 1961. judge jeffrey middleton salary,
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